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PRIMERICA INC PRI

COM · Common Stock · CUSIP 74164M108 · ISIN US74164M1080

American financial services provider

320 institutional holders +19 vs Q3 2022
33,483,83933.5m shares reported held*
91.4% of all shares outstanding*
$4.7bnreported value*
43 new 93 added 102 reduced 28 sold out net sold ≈ $95.3m (-660.7k shares)

* Summed across managers. Shares that two managers' reports both contain – a subsidiary's holdings that its parent's report includes too, or a sub-adviser's in its client's – are counted once ($8.8m this quarter). Holder counts are more reliable. Shares outstanding: 36.6m as of 2023-01-31, from the company's own SEC filing; the percentage can still exceed 100%: lent-out shares are counted by the lender and the buyer, and some reports overlap without saying so. Implied quarter-end price ≈ $141.25. Options: 4 managers hold calls ($2.2m notional), 2 hold puts ($170.2k).

Trends to Q4 2022

Institutional holders

Managers reporting a position, each quarter

0200400Q3 22: 301Q4 22: 320320Q3 22Q4 22
Numbers
QuarterHolders
Q3 2022301
Q4 2022320

Calls vs puts

Options held, notional value, last 4 quarters. P/C = puts ÷ calls

CallsPuts
$0$1m$2m$3mQ3 22 calls: $2.7mQ3 22 puts: $445.0kQ3 22P/C 0.16Q4 22 calls: $2.2mQ4 22 puts: $170.2kQ4 22P/C 0.08
Numbers
QuarterCallsPutsP/C
Q3 2022$2.7m$445.0k0.16
Q4 2022$2.2m$170.2k0.08

Biggest buyers

VICTORY CAPITAL MANAGEMENT INC Added +174,822+174.8k
Invesco Ltd. Added +62,681+62.7k
BlackRock Inc. Added +61,962+62.0k
PRINCIPAL FINANCIAL GROUP INC Added +59,394+59.4k
MORGAN STANLEY Added +36,228+36.2k
Leeward Investments, LLC - MA Added +33,584+33.6k
DIMENSIONAL FUND ADVISORS LP Added +22,486+22.5k
SCHRODER INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT GROUP Added +17,060+17.1k
GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLC Added +17,034+17.0k
Nuveen Asset Management, LLC Added +16,541+16.5k

Biggest sellers

MILLENNIUM MANAGEMENT LLC Reduced -171,629-171.6k
KAYNE ANDERSON RUDNICK INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT LLC Reduced -156,279-156.3k
MASSACHUSETTS FINANCIAL SERVICES CO /MA/ Sold out -130,451-130.5k
PRICE T ROWE ASSOCIATES INC /MD/ Reduced -101,597-101.6k
FIL Ltd Reduced -100,000-100.0k
TD Asset Management Inc Sold out -75,718-75.7k
Epoch Investment Partners, Inc. Sold out -73,892-73.9k
VANGUARD GROUP INC Reduced -65,493-65.5k
FMR LLC Reduced -49,870-49.9k
Brave Warrior Advisors, LLC Reduced -38,569-38.6k

Biggest calls

CITADEL ADVISORS LLC Added $1.4m9.6k shares
SUSQUEHANNA INTERNATIONAL GROUP, LLP Reduced $723.3k5.1k shares
SIMPLEX TRADING, LLC Reduced $70.0k500 shares
CONCOURSE FINANCIAL GROUP SECURITIES, INC. Unchanged $00 shares

Biggest puts

CITADEL ADVISORS LLC Reduced $170.2k1.2k shares
CONCOURSE FINANCIAL GROUP SECURITIES, INC. Unchanged $00 shares

Options at notional value: the value of the shares the contracts control, as filers report them, not what the options cost. Not included in the holders, shares or buying above.

Major shareholders (over 5%)

Anyone who owns more than 5% of a class of the company's shares has to say so: on Schedule 13D if they may try to influence or control the company, on 13G if they're a passive investor, and update it as the stake changes. Each holder's latest filing, from 19 Dec 2024 on; percentages are of the share class, as the holder worked them out.

HolderStakeChangeShares Last filed
KAYNE ANDERSON RUDNICK INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT LLC 13G · institution filed 2026-08-13 8.9% 2.8m≈ $786.9m 2026-08-13
VANGUARD PORTFOLIO MANAGEMENT LLC 13G · institution new · filed 2026-04-29 5.8% new 1.8m≈ $521.6m 2026-04-29
VANGUARD CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LLC 13G · institution new · filed 2026-04-30 5.3% new 1.7m≈ $476.7m 2026-04-30

Fell to 5% or below in the last year: VANGUARD GROUP INC (0.0%, 2026-03-27; now reported by VANGUARD PORTFOLIO MANAGEMENT LLC)

Insider purchases and sales in Q4 2022

Shares bought or sold by the company's own officers, directors and 10% owners, in the open market or privately, as they reported to the SEC on Form 4 (due within two business days of the trade). Grants, option exercises, shares withheld for tax and gifts aren't included.

Officers and directors buying vs selling

Number of people, by quarter (10% owners not included)

BuyingSelling
404Q1 21: 0 buyingQ1 21: 0 sellingQ2 21: 0 buyingQ2 21: 0 sellingQ2 21Q3 21: 0 buyingQ3 21: 0 sellingQ4 21: 0 buyingQ4 21: 3 sellingQ4 21Q1 22: 0 buyingQ1 22: 2 sellingQ2 22: 0 buyingQ2 22: 3 sellingQ2 22Q3 22: 0 buyingQ3 22: 3 sellingQ4 22: 0 buyingQ4 22: 3 sellingQ4 22
Numbers
QuarterBuyingBoughtSellingSoldSold under a plan
Q1 20210—0——
Q2 20210—0——
Q3 20210—0——
Q4 20210—3$1.4m—
Q1 20220—2$648.3k—
Q2 20220—3$1.1m—
Q3 20220—3$1.4m—
Q4 20220—3$1.3m—
DateInsiderTradeSharesPrice ValueTheir holding
2022-11-30 Rand Alison S. Executive VP and CFO Sold 1,500 $145.47 $218.2k1.5k shares -12%
2022-11-23 Schneider Peter W. President Sold 3,500 $145.19 $508.2k3.5k shares -18%
2022-11-21 Williams Glenn J. Chief Executive Officer, director Sold 4,000 $142.38 $569.5k4.0k shares -7%

Their holding: how much the trade added to or took from the insider's holding (direct, or the trust or fund named). The same trade is sometimes reported by more than one insider, such as a fund and the director who represents it; totals count it once. A value is left blank where the reported price is far from the market price (usually a typo).

Holders, Q4 2022

#ManagerLocationShares Value% of their portfolioChangeShares change
1 VANGUARD GROUP INC 0.02% of their portfolio Valley Forge, PA 3,899,1953.9m $553.0m $553.0m 0.02% Reduced -65.5k -65,493
2 KAYNE ANDERSON RUDNICK INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT LLC 1.72% of their portfolio LOS ANGELES, CA 3,882,9923.9m $550.7m $550.7m 1.72% Reduced -156.3k -156,279
3 FMR LLC 0.05% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 3,317,1373.3m $470.4m $470.4m 0.05% Reduced -49.9k -49,870
4 BlackRock Inc. 0.01% of their portfolio New York, NY 3,264,5833.3m $463.0m $463.0m 0.01% Added +62.0k +61,962
5 Brave Warrior Advisors, LLC 9.66% of their portfolio New York, NY 2,160,6602.2m $306.4m $306.4m 9.66% Reduced -38.6k -38,569
6 BAMCO INC /NY/ 0.93% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 1,950,6432.0m $276.6m $276.6m 0.93% Reduced -25.3k -25,268
7 Burgundy Asset Management Ltd. 2.29% of their portfolio Toronto, A6 1,247,7721.2m $177.0m $177.0m 2.29% Reduced -4.7k -4,691
8 STATE STREET CORP 0.01% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 1,072,9241.1m $152.2m $152.2m 0.01% Added +9.4k +9,444
9 DIMENSIONAL FUND ADVISORS LP 0.04% of their portfolio AUSTIN, TX 812,200812.2k $115.2m $115.2m 0.04% Added +22.5k +22,486
10 VICTORY CAPITAL MANAGEMENT INC 0.13% of their portfolio San Antonio, TX 811,888811.9k $115.1m $115.1m 0.13% Added +174.8k +174,822
11 FIDUCIARY MANAGEMENT INC /WI/ 0.92% of their portfolio MILWAUKEE, WI 638,714638.7k $90.6m $90.6m 0.92% Reduced -12.2k -12,215
12 WELLS FARGO & COMPANY/MN 0.02% of their portfolio SAN FRANCISCO, CA 533,437533.4k $75.7m $75.7m 0.02% Reduced -12.4k -12,365
13 GEODE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLC 0.01% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 500,994501.0k $71.0m $71.0m 0.01% Added +17.0k +17,034
14 AGF MANAGEMENT LTD 0.46% of their portfolio TORONTO, A6 450,113450.1k $63.8m $63.8m 0.46% First filing
15 Bank of New York Mellon Corp 0.01% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 437,563437.6k $62.1m $62.1m 0.01% Reduced -12.5k -12,504
16 Quantum Capital Management, LLC / NJ 6.77% of their portfolio NORTHFIELD, NJ 361,789361.8k $51.3m $51.3m 6.77% Reduced -13.1k -13,066
17 NORGES BANK 0.01% of their portfolio OSLO, Q8 359,425359.4k $51.0m $51.0m 0.01% Added +11.3k +11,324
18 CHARLES SCHWAB INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT INC 0.02% of their portfolio SAN FRANCISCO, CA 338,565338.6k $48.0m $48.0m 0.02% Added +6.4k +6,420
19 PRICE T ROWE ASSOCIATES INC /MD/ 0.01% of their portfolio BALTIMORE, MD 295,023295.0k $41.8m $41.8m 0.01% Reduced -101.6k -101,597
20 NORTHERN TRUST CORP 0.01% of their portfolio CHICAGO, IL 286,467286.5k $40.6m $40.6m 0.01% Reduced -1.4k -1,369
21 Invesco Ltd. 0.01% of their portfolio ATLANTA, GA 280,729280.7k $39.8m $39.8m 0.01% Added +62.7k +62,681
22 MILLENNIUM MANAGEMENT LLC 0.04% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 272,029272.0k $38.6m $38.6m 0.04% Reduced -171.6k -171,629
23 BROWN ADVISORY INC 0.07% of their portfolio BALTIMORE, MD 263,196263.2k $37.3m $37.3m 0.07% Reduced -8.9k -8,917
24 PRINCIPAL FINANCIAL GROUP INC 0.03% of their portfolio DES MOINES, IA 258,182258.2k $36.6m $36.6m 0.03% Added +59.4k +59,394
25 Nuveen Asset Management, LLC 0.01% of their portfolio CHICAGO, IL 230,824230.8k $32.7m $32.7m 0.01% Added +16.5k +16,541
26 FULLER & THALER ASSET MANAGEMENT, INC. 0.20% of their portfolio SAN MATEO, CA 219,913219.9k $31.2m $31.2m 0.20% Added +68 +68
27 ROYAL LONDON ASSET MANAGEMENT LTD 0.14% of their portfolio UNITED KINGDOM, X0 214,925214.9k $30.5m $30.5m 0.14% Added +2.1k +2,057
28 FIL Ltd 0.03% of their portfolio HAMILTON, D0 199,546199.5k $28.3m $28.3m 0.03% Reduced -100.0k -100,000
29 WESTFIELD CAPITAL MANAGEMENT CO LP 0.20% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 180,934180.9k $25.7m $25.7m 0.20% Added +8.1k +8,057
30 MORGAN STANLEY 0.00% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 179,359179.4k $25.4m $25.4m 0.00% Added +36.2k +36,228
31 SCHRODER INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT GROUP 0.04% of their portfolio London, X0 169,354169.4k $24.0m $24.0m 0.04% Added +17.1k +17,060
32 PhiloSmith Capital Corp 7.96% of their portfolio STAMFORD, CT 154,700154.7k $21.9m $21.9m 7.96% Unchanged
33 SVB WEALTH LLC 0.29% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 150,970151.0k $21.4m $21.4m 0.29% Added +1.3k +1,335
34 ACADEMY CAPITAL MANAGEMENT 4.41% of their portfolio WACO, TX 145,759145.8k $20.7m $20.7m 4.41% Reduced -2.2k -2,153
35 GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP INC 0.01% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 138,665138.7k $19.7m $19.7m 0.01% Reduced -13.6k -13,628
36 Leeward Investments, LLC - MA 0.85% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 135,128135.1k $19.2m $19.2m 0.85% Added +33.6k +33,584
37 NATIXIS ADVISORS, LLC 0.06% of their portfolio Boston, MA 117,475117.5k $16.7m $16.7m 0.06% Added +2.9k +2,874
38 RAYMOND JAMES & ASSOCIATES 0.02% of their portfolio ST PETERSBURG, FL 116,697116.7k $16.5m $16.5m 0.02% Reduced -4.6k -4,557
39 Wellington Shields Capital Management, LLC 0.04% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 115,056115.1k $340.4k $340.4k 0.04% Added +14.7k +14,696
40 RHUMBLINE ADVISERS 0.02% of their portfolio BOSTON, MA 113,937113.9k $16.2m $16.2m 0.02% Added +1.4k +1,416
41 MACQUARIE GROUP LTD 0.02% of their portfolio Sydney, NSW 2000, C3 113,194113.2k $16.1m $16.1m 0.02% Reduced -5.6k -5,619
42 WCM INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT, LLC 0.05% of their portfolio LAGUNA BEACH, CA 112,345112.3k $15.9m $15.9m 0.05% Reduced -3.0k -2,974
43 California Public Employees Retirement System 0.01% of their portfolio Sacramento, CA 93,69593.7k $13.3m $13.3m 0.01% Added +1.4k +1,359
44 Swiss National Bank 0.01% of their portfolio ZURICH, V8 90,40090.4k $12.8m $12.8m 0.01% Reduced -800 -800
45 PROSPECTOR PARTNERS LLC 1.69% of their portfolio GUILFORD, CT 86,41586.4k $12.3m $12.3m 1.69% Added +200 +200
46 JPMORGAN CHASE & CO 0.00% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 70,08570.1k $9.9m $9.9m 0.00% Reduced -1.4k -1,397
47 STIFEL FINANCIAL CORP 0.01% of their portfolio ST. LOUIS, MO 69,31269.3k $9.8m $9.8m 0.01% Reduced -1.3k -1,268
48 UBS AM, a distinct business unit of UBS ASSET MANAGEMENT AMERICAS LLC 0.01% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 68,63868.6k $9.7m $9.7m 0.01% Added +701 +701
49 ALLIANCEBERNSTEIN L.P. 0.00% of their portfolio NASHVILLE, TN 66,76066.8k $9.5m $9.5m 0.00% Reduced -655 -655
50 AMERIPRISE FINANCIAL INC 0.00% of their portfolio MINNEAPOLIS, MN 62,70662.7k $8.9m $8.9m 0.00% Reduced -6.1k -6,063
51 MUTUAL OF AMERICA CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LLC 0.11% of their portfolio New York, NY 62,04262.0k $8.8m $8.8m 0.11% Reduced -8.6k -8,583
52 GREAT LAKES ADVISORS, LLC 0.49% of their portfolio CHICAGO, IL 60,15260.2k $8.5m $8.5m 0.49% Reduced -514 -514
53 BANK OF AMERICA CORP /DE/ 0.00% of their portfolio CHARLOTTE, NC 58,60458.6k $8.3m $8.3m 0.00% Reduced -15.6k -15,552
54 CREDIT SUISSE AG/ 0.01% of their portfolio ZURICH, V8 57,79357.8k $8.2m $8.2m 0.01% Added +11.0k +10,966
55 AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL GROUP, INC. 0.06% of their portfolio New York, NY 57,46457.5k $8.1m $8.1m 0.06% Reduced -1.6k -1,637
56 BESSEMER GROUP INC 0.02% of their portfolio WOODBRIDGE, NJ 53,49053.5k $7.6m $7.6m 0.02% Added +16.2k +16,202
57 LOGAN CAPITAL MANAGEMENT INC 0.39% of their portfolio Newtown Square, PA 53,10253.1k $7.5m $7.5m 0.39% Reduced -976 -976
58 Legal & General Group Plc 0.00% of their portfolio London, X0 52,84052.8k $7.5m $7.5m 0.00% Reduced -87 -87
59 TUDOR INVESTMENT CORP ET AL 0.18% of their portfolio STAMFORD, CT 51,92851.9k $7.4m $7.4m 0.18% Added +9.4k +9,364
60 Parkwood LLC 1.48% of their portfolio CLEVELAND, OH 51,20351.2k $7.3m $7.3m 1.48% Reduced -2.9k -2,854
61 CITADEL ADVISORS LLC 0.01% of their portfolio MIAMI, FL 51,06551.1k $7.2m $7.2m 0.01% Reduced -6.9k -6,910
62 AMERICAN CENTURY COMPANIES INC 0.01% of their portfolio KANSAS CITY, MO 49,67849.7k $7.0m $7.0m 0.01% Added +7.5k +7,540
63 Brookfield Corp /ON/ 0.03% of their portfolio TORONTO, A6 49,58749.6k $7.0m $7.0m 0.03% Not comparable
64 CALIFORNIA STATE TEACHERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM 0.01% of their portfolio WEST SACRAMENTO, CA 49,52149.5k $7.0m $7.0m 0.01% Reduced -539 -539
65 Marks Group Wealth Management, Inc 0.95% of their portfolio MINNETONKA, MN 48,98149.0k $6.9m $6.9m 0.95% Reduced -622 -622
66 Running Oak Capital LLC 2.04% of their portfolio EDINA, MN 48,81948.8k $6.9m $6.9m 2.04% Added +2.6k +2,625
67 Retirement Systems of Alabama 0.03% of their portfolio MONTGOMERY, AL 48,63348.6k $6.9m $6.9m 0.03% Reduced -400 -400
68 REGIONS FINANCIAL CORP 0.06% of their portfolio BIRMINGHAM, AL 47,07647.1k $6.7m $6.7m 0.06% Reduced -2.0k -2,025
69 ENVESTNET ASSET MANAGEMENT INC 0.00% of their portfolio Berwyn, PA 42,93542.9k $6.1m $6.1m 0.00% Reduced -1.9k -1,865
70 NFJ INVESTMENT GROUP, LLC 0.15% of their portfolio DALLAS, TX 40,66740.7k $5.8m $5.8m 0.15% Reduced -4.6k -4,644
71 NEW YORK STATE COMMON RETIREMENT FUND 0.01% of their portfolio ALBANY, NY 39,92439.9k $5.7m $5.7m 0.01% Reduced -25 -25
72 STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION OF FLORIDA RETIREMENT SYSTEM 0.01% of their portfolio TALLAHASSEE, FL 34,86034.9k $4.9m $4.9m 0.01% Added +260 +260
73 State of Alaska, Department of Revenue 0.06% of their portfolio JUNEAU, AK 32,88332.9k $4.7m $4.7m 0.06% Added +7.3k +7,268
74 CANADA LIFE ASSURANCE Co 0.01% of their portfolio WINNIPEG, A2 32,74432.7k $4.7m $4.7m 0.01% Added +5.1k +5,062
75 AMALGAMATED BANK 0.04% of their portfolio NEW YORK, NY 32,57632.6k $4.6m $4.6m 0.04% Added +5.7k +5,711
76 PATHSTONE FAMILY OFFICE, LLC 0.01% of their portfolio ENGLEWOOD, NJ 32,25232.3k $1.4m $1.4m 0.01% Reduced -1.7k -1,666
77 SEI INVESTMENTS CO 0.01% of their portfolio OAKS, PA 31,68331.7k $4.5m $4.5m 0.01% Added +2.9k +2,895
78 STATE OF WISCONSIN INVESTMENT BOARD 0.01% of their portfolio MADISON, WI 30,16830.2k $4.3m $4.3m 0.01% Reduced -2.5k -2,464
79 MANUFACTURERS LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, THE 0.00% of their portfolio Toronto, A6 29,71829.7k $4.2m $4.2m 0.00% Reduced -604 -604
80 TEXAS PERMANENT SCHOOL FUND CORP 0.05% of their portfolio AUSTIN, TX 24,80624.8k $3.5m $3.5m 0.05% Reduced -2.1k -2,133
81 Russell Investments Group, Ltd. 0.01% of their portfolio Seattle, WA 24,59924.6k $3.5m $3.5m 0.01% Reduced -3.8k -3,778
82 NewEdge Wealth, LLC 0.14% of their portfolio STAMFORD, CT 23,65423.7k $3.4m $3.4m 0.14% Added +260 +260
83 Vestmark Advisory Solutions, Inc. 0.16% of their portfolio Wakefield, MA 23,49123.5k $3.3m $3.3m 0.16% Added +97 +97
84 MetLife Investment Management, LLC 0.02% of their portfolio Whippany, NJ 23,22823.2k $3.3m $3.3m 0.02% Reduced -820 -820
85 State of Tennessee, Department of Treasury 0.02% of their portfolio NASHVILLE, TN 22,87922.9k $3.2m $3.2m 0.02% Unchanged
86 EULAV Asset Management 0.14% of their portfolio SARASOTA, FL 22,70022.7k $3.2m $3.2m 0.14% Added +4.5k +4,500
87 TRUIST FINANCIAL CORP 0.01% of their portfolio CHARLOTTE, NC 21,95822.0k $3.1m $3.1m 0.01% Added +42 +42
88 BANK OF MONTREAL /CAN/ 0.00% of their portfolio TORONTO, A6 21,75421.8k $3.1m $3.1m 0.00% Added +1.7k +1,697
89 State of New Jersey Common Pension Fund D 0.01% of their portfolio TRENTON, NJ 20,93220.9k $3.0m $3.0m 0.01% Reduced -1.2k -1,189
90 FEDERATED HERMES, INC. 0.01% of their portfolio PITTSBURGH, PA 20,59720.6k $2.9m $2.9m 0.01% Added +14.3k +14,290
91 Alaska Permanent Fund Corp 0.05% of their portfolio JUNEAU, AK 19,70019.7k $2.8m $2.8m 0.05% Unchanged
92 YOUSIF CAPITAL MANAGEMENT, LLC 0.04% of their portfolio BLOOMFIELD HILLS, MI 19,60319.6k $2.8m $2.8m 0.04% Reduced -214 -214
93 Thrivent Financial for Lutherans 0.01% of their portfolio Minneapolis, MN 19,27919.3k $2.7m $2.7m 0.01% Added +9.4k +9,366
94 HOTCHKIS & WILEY CAPITAL MANAGEMENT LLC 0.01% of their portfolio Los Angeles, CA 19,10019.1k $2.7m $2.7m 0.01% Added +210 +210
95 DUPONT CAPITAL MANAGEMENT CORP 0.13% of their portfolio Wilmington, DE 19,08719.1k $2.7m $2.7m 0.13% Reduced -4.7k -4,749
96 PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM OF OHIO 0.01% of their portfolio COLUMBUS, OH 18,79318.8k $2.7m $2.7m 0.01% Added +117 +117
97 B. Metzler seel. Sohn & Co. AG 0.04% of their portfolio FRANKFURT, 2M 17,37617.4k $2.5m $2.5m 0.04% Unchanged
98 OCCUDO QUANTITATIVE STRATEGIES LP 0.28% of their portfolio FORT LAUDERDALE, FL 16,91916.9k $2.4m $2.4m 0.28% Added +7.2k +7,211
99 COMERICA BANK 0.02% of their portfolio DALLAS, TX 16,79816.8k $2.5m $2.5m 0.02% Reduced -505 -505
100 COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA PUBLIC SCHOOL EMPLS RETRMT SYS 0.02% of their portfolio HARRISBURG, PA 16,59916.6k $2.4m $2.4m 0.02% Added +1.8k +1,750